Any ideas on sleep?

LO is 8/9 months old, breastfed and for the most part we co-sleep (I’m able to transfer him in his cot at the beginning of the night but he wakes up regularly and whines until he’s in bed with me). Now, I know there’s a regression at this point, but he’s never been a great sleeper. He’s always had issues past 2/3am and I’m only able to get him to stretch his sleep till 5/5.30 by swapping sides (and breast) often. He sleeps mostly 9 hours, sometimes 10 sometimes 8… I can’t find a rhyme or reason to it… Naps are generally 9am (usually the big one) and around 2pm though this last one really depends how big the first one was. Any ideas on how to extend his sleep? Or help him in the early mornings? I’m not for the crying it out method. We tried it for 10 days and it was the most awful experience of my life…
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8/9/10 hours is an excellent stretch of sleep! If he’s having 10 hours of night sleep and 2.5 hours of day sleep for example then he’s met his sleep needs. A baby will only sleep a set amount of time in 24 hours - once they reach this they will wake. Your baby sounds like they’re on the lower end of normal sleep needs. If you want to make baby wake later you need to make bedtime later x

What time is he going to bed? How much sleep is he getting during the day? X

Well it’s a bit mixed during the day. He naps at 9am and somewhere between 1.30 and 2pm The 9 am nap is the longest one usually 1 to 1.5h bit today for instance it was only 30 mins. The second is usually 30 to 40 mins very rarely does he go past that. Today he only napped a total of 1h which is unusual but happens. His night sleep is never really uninterrupted… he is pretty active from around 2 or 3 am and I manage to stretch him till 5/5.30am by swapping sides and keeping him on my breast. He goes to bed at 8pm (tried 7pm but he would wake up at 4am…) He is usually EXTREMELY fractious in the evening but I prefer that to a 4am wake up 😅

Today though he only napped 1h total but wasn’t so fractious in the evening 🤷🏻‍♀️ he was actually unusually chilled … go figure

Honestly there’s no logic to them is there 😂 might be a case of twiddling with nap timings and his wake windows to see if that helps. Do you contact nap? Happy to look at a sleep diary for you and see if I can spot anything :) x

Aww thank you! 🙏🏼 much appreciated! I’m starting to form an idea that he has moved to 10h (or just shy of) nighttime sleep… but here’s the schedule 9am first nap, the big one and usually a contact nap, about 1-2h 2/2.30pm 45 minutes 8pm bed time 5/5.30am wake up unless he’s woken in the night for a while before going back to sleep.

My breastfed baby was like this! I found stretching out the first wake window fully helped, so 3 hours at this age, and cap the morning nap at 30 mins, then leave the longer nap for the afternoon nap. If they have a long nap in the morning they see it as extra nighttime sleep especially if they don’t have a long wake window, and then end up overtired by bedtime due to only have a short nap in the afternoon. In order to get a longer afternoon nap they need enough sleep pressure by staying up longer. This also helps for when you transition to one nap, you only have to drop the short morning nap! Once we changed his schedule my co-sleeping breastfed baby did really well! He now sleeps 8-8 and has 2.5hr nap total during the day, before he was barely doing 13 hours total. Obviously this is just my advice if it doesn’t seem right for you then fair enough but I hope it helps somewhat! x

Also I say he sleeps 8-8, which he does! But he still wakes every 3-4 hrs for a feed, but he’s stopped waking at 5am.

@Liz no worries at all! How long does it tend to take him to fall asleep at night? Give me message if you want a 7 day sleep diary sent over for me to look at! X

Hi Gemma, Sorry took so long to get back. Was a full on week! He usually falls asleep pretty quickly and now seems to be doing best with a 4h wake window. Still an early riser though!

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