Biological clock

I saw a video the other day about a 76 year old woman going into hospital with stomach pains & being told she was pregnant, so it's not really a fact.

What politician is talking about a biological clock?

@Brittany Pierre Poilievre a Canadian politician

@Zainab🗝️ what did he say?

@Genevieve I dunno. I don't like to listen to him, he pisses me off. My husband said he was talking about biological clocks of women. It was in conversation around buying homes.

@Rachel anomalies happen. Medical miracles also happen but you aren’t going to tell a patient with stage 4 terminal cancer “oh don’t worry you have literally nothing to worry about”. Doctors at that point generally start talking about end of life expectations and yes people can survive longer or beat the odds but there’s a point that when MAJORITY go within a statistic you start discussing probabilities. The probability of MAJORITY of women getting pregnant at 70 is not a reality for 99% of women

@Genevieve I didn’t hear it specifically but apparently he said “we’ve reached a point in our country where people are unable to buy home before their biological clock starts ticking” because the average age of first time home ownership in Canada I think is 40 because the average house price is over 800 000 (GTA average is 1 000 000) which if you’re a first time home buyer you need like 8% down +closing costs (land transfer, legal etc) so you’re about $100 000 down but average income is $57 000 and taxes are 21% for income tax not including EI, pension, carbon tax etc. Basically from my understanding he was talking about how people could afford to buy houses early-mid 20’s settle, get married discuss kids and still enjoy but now that’s not a reality. You either have kids before you own (making it harder to afford) or you take your chances on fertility later in life

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMBHBkRG6/ Here is a compilation I just found of him mentioning it more than once....

Why are you talking about cancer when you didn't even mention it in the post?

It’s more so to those moms who have kids in their 40s. If that’s when you have your baby, that’s when you have them! Who cares what people say. If you could have had earlier you would have

@Rachel I thought I’d simplify the ridiculousness of your argument that a 70 year old gave birth to the example of a cancer diagnoses. But if that’s hard to follow then very simply. MAJORITY of women cannot get pregnant at 70. By anomaly or miracle sure one did but to tell any women try for a child in your 70’s is just outrageous We can say that after menopause - generally 40-50’s your chances for a child are done.

@Jadie oh agree! And it’s not wrong to have children later in life but the statistics are against the ability too and from recent years fertility is on a decrease not increase. Definitely try for a baby when you’re ready (pre menopause) but it doesn’t reduce the fact that your chances are reduced. No?

I may be an anomaly. But, I conceived both kids on my first cycle trying for both in my 40s. While fertility does decline, as you get older…the so called “fertility cliff” over 35, I suspect is outdated information. My odds of getting pregnant, were supposed to be like 5% per cycle. So, how did that happen twice for me?? If you read fertility advice on the Internet…it will scare you into thinking it’s nearly impossible to have kids older. My grandmother had 2 kids in her 40s and we have several other family members that had kids late. There are a couple Of 40s moms groups on here with women that have babies. We are everywhere and had babies late for all sorts of reasons. Women have babies right up until menopause and have since there have been women.

Men commenting on women's fertility gives real creep energy.

@Kim I don’t think 40 year olds specifically are anomalies (I was speaking about the example of the 76 year old who had a baby as an example given). And I want to reiterate I completely agree that we have children at all different ages for all different reasons. Maybe science is “outdated” but I would also argue it’s not considering the decline in fertility for BOTH men and women. I’ve known 40 year olds who got pregnant by blinking at their husbands and 40 year olds going through IVF because they can’t conceive (could conceive in their 20’s and early 30’s). It’s definitely individually based but I think it’s stated due to majority - even if it applies to only 51% of people (meaning 49% of people still don’t have an issues but it’s over that 1/2 mark.). I think for people who know they want to have families it’s better to understand this. It doesn’t have to define you specifically but understanding that fertility is decreased isn’t wrong to say and if you have 5 kids in your 40’s

@Kim me- and I hope majority- are really happy for you!

I agree with you to a certain extent, but I also dislike a sleazy politician using it as a talking point.

@Zainab🗝️ including doctors? I’ve seen women saying male doctors are “mansplaining” fertility. That really confuses me. Happy to be informed to have a better understanding. To me a doctor went to school and knows more than me in SOME WAYS. No one questions vaccines (I don’t at least) when a man explains the dangers to our health about not vaccinating but if it’s fertility their job and education is irrelevant?

@Genevieve no that’s fair! Lol 😂

Politicians and a medical doctor you're seeing for your fertility are not the same. If I went to my doctor's appointment and a male doctor randomly was like better get busy you're in your mid 30s, that would be gross, I'm here for a physical sir.

I mean watching the video this guy literally cringed over starting having children at 25yo because of that ticking clock. 25yo is late to start a family? 🙄 The people concerned about women not having children young enough because of "biological clocks" give me the impression that they're using it as reason to validate grown men being with very young women.

@Zainab🗝️ in that context it’s weird but I’ve seen doctors on podcasts or interviews discussing fertility and women saying it’s offensive because they are men explaining women’s fertility. Despite the fact that that question was asked. That’s like going to your doctor in your mid 30’s and asking about procreation and then getting upset because he says “based on these statistics here are your chances and here’s the best plan”.

I think women don't enjoy men of any kind, including doctors discussing our fertility because of the medical gaslighting we face. There is more research around male baldness than there is endometriosis. And on podcasts they go to talk to men about our fertility. Why no discussion around how a father's health impacts a pregnancy?

I can think of at least 4 people who I know that were deemed infertile by a male doctor and all of them had children naturally.

I'll take the concerns politicians have about women's biological clocks when they start talking about men's. Men's sperm quality declines with age, they worry about running out of time to have kids and be the parents they want to be, but instead of doing any kind of reflection or inner work, they typically shift their concerns about it on to women

Women can choose to have a baby any time that they want. Some people are putting off children until later on now because of their careers, they aren't settled down, housing and money and in today's world it's a lot harder, women and especially younger women aren't giving birth as before so lots of drops in birth rates, so I think it will be and is normal to have a baby later, unless there is a medical reason some women need to start early for example I once heard a doctor telling a 16plus year old to have children early as she has issues like pcos and something else. I guess there is never a happy balance there is always pluses and negative either side of the coin.

I'm sorry, but that just isn't true, considering that most women these days are putting off having children until they are in their 40s.

Historically, we should also be looking at the age of women when they had their last child, it wasn't uncommon for women in their forties to be on yet another pregnancy because birth control options didn't exist back in the day. People act like women having children in their 30s and 40s is new when it's anything but. The only difference is now we have more deciding power about it/when we get pregnant, and we all know how much certain groups of people hate that.

@Raqi my great grandma was born when her mom was 42, roughly.

Doesnt everyone’s biological clock start ticking the moment theyre born? Usually when I hear “biological clock” it’s from podcast bros being misogynists lol

@Rachel sorry what’s simply not true?

@Raqi no one said fertility rate is 0% at 40…? It’s just significantly less than when your 30. That’s just common sense. Obviously people get pregnant their 40’s but that doesn’t mean that it’s as easy as when you’re younger, risks aren’t higher, etc. a female doctor will tell you that?

@Zainab🗝️ I know women who were also considered infertile by female doctors and then concieved.. medically “infertility” is defined by both medical concerns, and also length of time it takes to conceive. It may have changed but I believe they say 1 full year of trying with no success they define as infertile - by male or female doctor?

@Victoria~ the moment you enter puberty your biological clock starts. Everytime women have their period, you lose an egg. We are born with all the eggs we will ever have so yes once we have no more fertile eggs we cannot conceive. Men can procreate for longer - however sperm quality and so forth go down. The biological clock was a term coined because women, unlike most men, have a point where no more eggs are there and “time runs out”. That is just biology. I’m sure men talk about it but I have female doctors in my family who talk about it all the time as well. Again no one is saying your chances are zero - per say- but to ignore the fact that your CHANCES of pregnancy goes down seems ridiculous to me. You can have a child at 50 if you are NOT GOING THROIGH MENOPAUSE. But that doesn’t mean it will be as easy as when you have a lot more eggs available to be fertilized.

That 40-50 year olds can't have children. Also, don't talk about cancer, it's sick!

@Rachel who said 50-50 year old can’t get pregnant UNLESS went through menopause? You’re not reading anyone’s answers. The only thing that was discussed is your lunatic example of a 76 year old who got pregnant 😂😂😂 I’ll give an example of cancer if I want to. Most of my family died from it - it’s a reality get over yourself