Men don’t like women!

I mean… this is just one big delusional blanket statement but, go off 😂 Good men do exist, I’m sorry that you clearly have never met one.

I don’t disagree that this applies to some men. Bit too much of a stretch to say it applies to every man out there - I know plenty of totally normal men. But I do agree that some men genuinely don’t like women and that a lot of their problematic behavior stems from this.

There's plenty of blurred lines for sure, as we come out of majorly masongonistic upbringing that men certainly hold the upper hand. But those who aren't so tarnished with this upbringing definitely exist and are very healthy humans. And raising 2 boys they will definitely be taught boundaries, understanding, empathy, good regulation of emotions and security in themselves to not fall into this path.

I forgot to add that what these men are being taught is called PATRIARCHY. A lot of the conditioning stems from men being taught they’re entitled to the benefits of women at a baseline level (regardless of what efforts they put into these relationships). And I CLEARLY know “not all men”. I’m married to a straight white man!! But I still believe this to be true about A LOT of men in American society, specifically. My apologies for using too generalized of language. Hope this helps further discussion!

I agree. There’s so many men who say they like women but they don’t want to do any activities with their partner. They want to spend all their free time with other men. They make fun of “girly” things that their partner enjoys. See it on here all the time, women are trapped with men that don’t want to spend time with them besides sexy and romantic time. It’s sad. I know loads of great men and have close friends who are guys, but there are also lots of men who very obviously just don’t like women

@Alysha It’s comments like yours that make women feel like they can’t honestly express themselves and their thoughts/situations. And this leads to women being left in very dangerous, even life threatening situations because she feels the need to go silent as no one believes her anyways. Please practice how to respectfully debate or keep your rude comments to yourself. I’m actually a married woman and still believe the things I’ve said to be true. I’m happy that you’re happy and comfortable in your life though! Keep that up 😉

Please do not come at me about women honestly expressing themselves when you posted under incognito. I honestly expressed myself with my name and face, you just didn’t like my response. You made a blanket statement that I disagree with.

@Chloe A lot of men have hurt me, actually. Thanks for asking, if you were genuinely curious and looking to provide a supportive environment conducive to respectful discussion. If you were not however, why’d you feel the need to respond in this way? You could’ve just said “That’s not my experience, but I can see how your points may be valid.” or “That’s not my experience. It seems you’ve been hurt by men in your life and I’m sorry that’s happened to you.” Yes, your specific example is a delusional way of thinking! But calling the examples I gave delusional… when they’ve literally been researched and studied and written about and discussed in not only clinical but educational settings. It’s giving ✨ignorance and inability to communicate effectively and supporting a community in which women can openly and honestly talk to one another..

@Jodie I’m so happy you’re teaching your boys how to be kind & loving human beings! Keep up the great work :)

@Alysha And you could’ve just simply said that… That you disagreed with my opinion. But you had to attack my trauma that you basically just assumed I had because I had a different perspective than yours, and that you’re not even 100% cognizant of to the extent that I or a therapist would be. I’m not saying you can’t disagree. I’m just saying you could’ve responded with more compassion, that is all 😳 I’m not sure why you’re getting so fired up if these situations you don’t experience. Why is there such an emotional attachment to said conversation if it doesn’t affect you?

@Chloe just adding about the women in stem incentives, a lot of the reason women don’t join these fields ISNT just because we biologically aren’t interested, it’s because it’s so male dominated it can be a really hostile environment. As someone who studied a bachelor of science, I know a lot of women who left their sector because of discrimination. I know a woman actually who’s an engineer, only woman on her team, and on her most recent work trip she had the boss of another company ask her on a date in the middle of a fucking WORK MEETING!!!! Idc about the other points you made because they’re just difference of opinion and politics, so no need to argue it. But you’re missing an important point on women’s experience in the work place

@Chloe And I’d like to be honest, I think it’s that same very special (white) privilege you experience as a white woman that keeps you from seeing the the situations in which I’m discussing. But I’m glad you’re admitting that it does exist 😅 Speaking of divorce: you are also correct. But what about the women who are diagnosed neurodivergent? Are you aware that in custody cases the simple fact of being neurodivergent could cause them to lose their child(ren)? Or being diagnosed with anything really (I’m aware that some mental illnesses could potentially put the children at risk and it’s best to put them where they are safest).. Speaking of the pay gap: I’m going to have to disagree with you there. Maybe as a white woman you don’t experience that, but I’ve LIVED through being paid less than my white female and male counterparts while being hired with the same tasks to complete.

Well, I’m not a therapist soooo there’s that. Did you express any compassion for the men that are good to women? No you didn’t, you lumped them all together further pushing vulnerable women to believe all men are the same. My opinion is that posts like this are not helpful because someone who’s experiencing a situation similar might read this and think “omg all men are going to treat me this way, it’s never going to get better, I’ll never be valued, etc” I feel it’s toxic to speak so definitively about a large part of the population. It seems you wanted to discuss this with only women who share your view.

@Wendi I’m not white 🙄 and I don’t think you know what trolling is.

@Chloe And to speak on men being wired to be more competitive than women.. it’s more nuanced than saying it’s simple biology. Research has shown that it’s not an inherent trait that men carry, and it’s more so to do with the ways in which people (societies) view competition. Men seek motivation from competition because society tells them to. Or in other words, when someone else loses it makes men feel better about themselves. Not all men. But I’m just saying “men” to save space and time lol. And this isn’t even a phenomenon exclusive to the male gender. It’s called a “Zero-Sum” mentality. But women don’t typically seek validation from competition. They seek validation from things like being listened to, having her bodily autonomy etc. Research shows that women on average don’t have such a “profound” or positive attachment as men to competition.

@Chloe WHY DO YOU THINK WERE MORE AGGREEABLE THAN MEN CHLOE?! Could it POSSIBLY be the hundreds of years where women weren’t allowed to speak over men, were forced to follow everything a man said ? It’s in our blood. Women are generally more agreeable than men because historically it was safer for us to be. You’ve made so many statements that just scream ignorance and like you’ve never actually gave any thought to anything you’re saying. Are you so dense you think women are fully free in comparison to men? you scream ignorant, uneducated and incapable of coherent thought. bye. Leave wendi alone

@Chloe … this group is literally called “Let’s Get Controversial”…. So now it seems that I’m not allowed to get controversial in the ONE space where it’s explicitly allowed 😵‍💫

@Chloe why would I want stupid people to like me?

@Chloe all I can say is a lot of things in regards to feminism, treatment in society and the wage gap is discussed by professors while people study, everything you’ve spouted would only be found on alpha male podcasts. And it’s sad

My husband, my dad, a lot of men in my life treat their partners like queens 👸🏼

I say this ALL THE TIME it’s facts

I feel like the statements made generalized men. I personally know alot of great men but also some just like what the op is stating. I had a problem with my husband who was raised by a single mom even though she is still married to his dad. They haven't been together for at least 35yrs because he wanted to do what he wanted. Meanwhile she has never even looked at another man,has always just worked,took care of my husband and his sister and whatever else she had to do. And my husband thinks that's commendable. I've had to explain to him her being lonely all these years isn't a commendable thing its heartbreaking and sad. Her raising them and making sure things were taken care of isn't commendable because it has to be done. I let him know early on I'm not a 50's house wife so he shouldn't expect it and we've been good.

Maybe you are attracting low quality men into your life? I’ve met plenty of men that enjoy and value women’s company and conversation. So I just haven’t had the same experience. My group is martial artists, entrepreneurs, world travelers, gamers, and artists - not “corporate baddies.” So I think there could be a big personality difference based on the types of things people are drawn to

And this thought process is one of the things that scares me the most about raising a son. Is he going to grow up believing “this is just how men are so this is what I am.” Is he going to have extra obstacles and prejudices to overcome just to prove he is a good man? As a white man is he going to believe he is the problem with society because he automatically is part of the “patriarchy”

If this is what y’all think of men then you’ve been with boys and not a real man.

@Whitney And I actually agree with this statement because I know respectful, empathetic men exist out there somewhere lol

I think the majority of men view us this way. Unconsciously

I agree to an extent as I have met men just as you have described. Who have 0 compassion, see women as being the lesser sex, hold the likes of pregnancy & starting/having a family against you. Just stereotypical bad men! I don't agree that this is all men, who are like that though. As I am fortunate to have some decent, thoughtful & selfless men in my life. Unfortunately, unless change happens (& it will take many generations for this change to happen) then, men will continue to hold the upper hand. There's not enough women in the house of parliment, there's not enough women at the forefront of businesses & if there are, they tend to get a bad rep by men🙄