Passports needed to vote

That’s standard everywhere else in the world, why are you so outraged?

You need to show your birth certificate to vote? And have an ID that matches it? I’m in Canada but I’ve never used my birth certificate when voting just my ID with address on it.

@Erica we had a provincial election last week and I only needed to show my drivers license. I didn’t need a voter card or to be registered in advance.

@Erica because it’s not the standard here and this change could impact people with name discrepencies between their ID documents and birth certificates, like married and divorced women.

I’d like to say I’m shocked but this is just red flag #397,824

@Erica is it also standard to deny passport without reasoning?

@Erica that very Informative. However as someone that’s voted in this past this is not standard. So can you possibly imagine why one MIGHT be outraged. When it’s “normal” or “natural” to you of course it’s “no big deal”. Let’s at least acknowledge that.

@Stacey 🇵🇸 why would you have a name discrepancy? Everyone knows that documents need to be updated once married. It’s just common sense to ensure documents are in order. Maybe it’s a good thing this is being implemented now

@Daija what do you mean by that?

@Erica you’re actually advised NOT to change your birth certificate name because if you ever needed to change your name back it would be incredibly difficult without the original ID.

@S. annalese things change, things have to change in order to improve. There are so many things to be outraged about, needing a passport should not be on that list.

@Elizabeth Of course not, birth certificates should never be changed 😂😂.. I was referring to drivers license, ID cards, passport, personal information at the bank, doctors, etc.. Who in their right mind would change their birth certificate? 🤣

@Erica so right now some states you just need ID. They want you to have your passport which is more rigorous to get and they can deny you from having a passport without having to give you reasons. Right now people are reporting their passport renewals are randomly getting denied. Essentially allowing them to block us to vote

Why would someone have a name discrepancy? Because many women change their names to have their husbands last name and usually their maiden name isn’t the same as their married name. Maybe it’s not such a good thing this is being implemented now

@Erica I’m so confused rn I thought the problem was the ID and birth certificate didn’t match

@Daija that’s ridiculous. Can’t passports be renewed online? How’s that even allowed? - Are the passport denials for new citizens or general Americans?

I didn’t think they were going to pass it 😭

@Stacey 🇵🇸 that’s exactly what I said. It’s the women’s responsibility to ensure that her documents are updated once married. Every simple things to do, it’s time consuming but quite straightforward . So, no reason to have a discrepancy. Unless American regulations are so difficult that, you can’t do so in a timely manner I got married 6months ago and all my documents, including doctor and bank information had been updated.

@Erica Do you get to decide what folks are outraged about. Ahh. Got it And in your daily life you never get outraged about something that I might say “shouldn’t be in the list” Got it girly 💀 Not from here but made because an American is outraged about what’s happening in their country that literally doesn’t effect you and you family. But them being outraged is silly.

@Elizabeth someone was saying that it affect married women due to the name discrepancy ( on passports, ID’s). That’s why I mentioned ensuring that documents should updated once married

@Erica omfg I thought the issue was the birth certificate not matching ID not passport not matching ID I need to go to bed

There’s a lot of misinformation going around about HR. 22, and it’s a short document, I do encourage people read it for themselves. Some of the statements here aren’t accurate. “Passports needed to vote”- FALSE; HR 22 will require the need to prove citizenship in order to register to vote. A birth certificate is one of a number of documents and forms of ID that may be used. With that said, many will find that the only document they have on the list is a birth certificate and many will find that they don’t have any such documentation.

@Elizabeth 😂😂 x

@S. annalese giving my opinion, it’s an open discussion. You should’ve scrolled past my comment if you weren’t prepared to be disagreed with.. That’s what happens when people have discussions 😊 So I would suggest you not to get your knickers in a twist, it’s not that deep 🤣

“Under hr 22, the SAVE act, if your only proof of citizenship is your birth certificate, and the last name or first on your driver's license doesn't match (which targets mostly married or divorced WOMEN), you will not be allowed to vote.” - FALSE; HR. 22 does not restrict registration to those whose IDs and birth certificates reflect no history of name or gender changes- discrepancies between documents is not explicitly addressed.

@Erica no everything’s paper still. They are piloting online right now. And it’s for everyone. My grandmas got denied and when she asked they said maybe cause she’s changed her last name too much but they couldn’t say for sure z She’s been married twice. This was in 2021 when she tried to get it for my destination wedding.

Updating my voter registration to my married name took me less time than many of the other things that went with the name change process. My drivers license needed to be updated with my marriage registration and then the voter registration was updated with the license. It took 5 minutes. I am not sure why people are upset. You change your name, you change your documents…no passport necessary.

Would your Real ID not serve as enough proof? Since you had to show all documentation to get one

“They said they weren't going to take women's rights and yet this primarily impacts women, trans people and people in poverty who cannot afford an expensive $200 passport.” - TRUE IN PART*: - This primarily impacts people in poverty, who are statistically less likely to have certain forms of documentation. - This has the ability to impact trans people disproportionately where anti-trans sentiment is systemic, because someone who is trans and whose only proof of citizenship is a birth certificate may find that the validity of their documentation is questioned without a process in place to verify gender change, and this is something that is already impacting trans people seeking passports today. - While women are the largest group with name changes, whether this primarily impacts women is debatable- it would take a state not allowing for name changes in their implementation plans for this to specifically suppress the female vote.

@Erica the reasons I outlined above as well as the responses from others in the comments. Some families can't afford the extra expense of getting a passport. This leads to less votes, primarily from women who, according to statistics tend to vote Democrat. Minorities are typically lower wage earners, so again, only people with expendable money can obtain a passport because if you need formula/medicine/etc. versus a passport, which one are you going to choose? So now we're discriminating against women and people in poverty. Trans people who change their first name, last name, or both also will be at a disadvantage because of this and guess what political party they often vote for. If you don't care, it's not my job to make you, but for people who would be blindsided by this, it's important as we'll be voting again in a couple of years. If your ID (DL) doesn't match your birth certificate, which it won't after you're married if you changed your name, they will disenfranchise your vote.

@Erica My post is intended to raise awareness of this so that women can get ahead of this before their options are taken from them because this is a slippery slope.

Statistically, more women vote Democrat and more men vote Republican, so it would be an effective way to stay in power

@🍄‍🟫🍄 I'm encouraging others to read this as well. I talked this over with a friend who has a Doctorate in political science and our takeaways were different in that they absolutely can deny your vote if there are discrepancies between documents.

I think it’s a legitimate concern for all voters… this isn’t primarily a women’s issue. This is one of the most sweeping efforts toward voter suppression this country has ever seen. I think we need to look to the communities who have historically been most affected by voter suppression and consider how similar laws (look to Arizona and Kansas) have impacted voters on a state level. This is a shit show that has the ability to disenfranchise large groups of people. People will not only be denied the ability to register but will also be de-enrolled. Technical issues and “technical issues” will likely also result in disenfranchisement.

@Grace one of the accepted forms of proof of citizenship include: “A form of identification issued consistent with the requirements of the REAL ID Act of 2005 that indicates the applicant is a citizen of the United States.” With that said, the Real ID may not necessarily indicate citizenship status on the ID itself, which has been raised as a concern over whether the ID itself would be sufficient- there’s been no amendment to clarify this point though).

@Erica who is changing their birth certificate to match their maiden name??

@Incognito Discrepancies between documents can absolutely and very obviously lead to disenfranchisement- but it’s simply not true that if you’re a woman and the name on your birth certificate doesn’t match your ID, you will not be allowed to vote. That’s misinformation… HR.22 absolutely does not state that. What it does is fail to make an explicit statement for protocol around name and gender changes, though it does state that a state can register voters without the documents listed if they swear under penalty of perjury that they’re a citizen and provide alternative documents aligned with state requirements. The risk is there and the risk is very alarming… but risk should not be communicated as fact.

Just Google n read the bill it’s not hard to understand bc there’s def a lot of misinformation & misinterpretation going on

When I got my Real ID I had to take my marriage license since my last name didn’t match on my birth certificate. It wasn’t hard.

I love this rule 🇺🇸

I'm from the UK, it's common here to have to produce your marriage certificate if for example your driver's license doesn't match your birth certificate. I had to do this when applying for my passport. What I found FAR more difficult than this, was applying for my child's first passport because at the time neither me or his father had a valid passport, my husband's had expired and I had lost mine. Along with my son's birth certificate, I had to provide: My birth certificate, my marriage certificate, my mum's birth certificate, my dad's birth certificate (this was particularly hard because he was born in another country), their marriage certificate (even though they divorced in 1996), my husband's dad's birth certificate, his mum's birth certificate (she died in 2001) and their marriage certificate and they divorced in 1994!