Unpopular opinion or not?

Okay I get ur point. But at the same time we can agree to disagree and learn to respect others’ opinions no? If I personally don’t feel comfortable w being in there w a trans then that’s me. If u are then that’s u. We can all have diff views on the matter.

There was no need for an argument on the other post. People can voice their opinions and not have others attack them for how they feel about it

@Jody we can and should respect opinions, not arguments rooted in transphobia. I would also encourage you to finish the phrase next time, and say trans women, rather than “a trans” as it’s quite derogatory, even if unintentionally this time.

@Jody if you don’t feel comfortable using a public bathroom because of who may go in there maybe you shouldn’t use public restrooms.

People aren’t allowed to have their own opinions. If we don’t all think alike… the name calling comes out🤷🏻‍♀️

@Aggs OP literally said the same thing 🤨 and the person stated her opinion and literally said nth that gave transphobia and it turned into a whole thing

@Lyss lmao okay ma’am.

I do feel that they do get a bad rap . There are definitely people who will do bad things and use being trans mentally ill as an excuse which it's not right. It's no one's job to make you feel comfortable. Unfortunately the world isn't centered around people's feelings. As long as you keep to yourself. Everyone deserves to use whatever bathroom is for them . 🤷‍♀️

@Jody there were many transphobic comments made on that post. I am not speaking about those simply sharing an opinion.

@Aggs the argument stemmed from someone giving her opinion and that’s what I was talking about.

@Jody the opinion was rooted in common misinformation which was corrected. That’s not an attack. No worries, I understand your point anyhow.

It’s bananas to me. B-a-n-a-n-a-s. 1) no would-be rapist was ever deterred by the “rule” being “don’t go in there plz!”. They’re gonna assault someone, they aren’t concerned with rules?? 2)if transmen, aka women at birth, are forced to use women’s rooms…suddenly it’s a lot easier for a MALE who looks, duh, like a MAN to say “I’m a trans man” and just wander in..It does nothing to PROTECT or DETER literally anyone. 3) how are people being divided into their ‘correct’ bathrooms? Is someone conducting genital checks at the door? Are we spending MILLIONS of tax payer dollars to hire Genital Inspecting Bathroom Guards? 4) if not, and like it has been for everyone’s entire lifetimes, following the bathroom “rules” are on the honor system…then there is 0 point. It is an unenforceable law. There is no world in which anyone engaged in the anti-trans side of this debate has used half a brain or more than 5 minutes to think this out. It’s disturbing.

@Lyss like most things, there's a social contract to live by for the majority of people's safety. For example, obviously not in every single case, we agree to follow the law. We agree to follow traffic rules to keep ourselves and others safe. Generally, we have followed the rule of sticking to the women's or men's room so that we have safe places. If a man walks into the women's bathroom, then they are told to get out. The same with 'trans women'. Now there is a whole debate of whether someone is truly trans or not, no need to go into that. Everyone has their views. But addressing the main posters question, that is why women might feel unsafe. Women should be able (for the most part) rely on the protections they've fought years to have. They should be able to walk into a women's restroom without worry about finding a man in there. Our kids should be able to go to school without worrying there could be a shooting. Nothing that basic should require extra security to feel safe.

I don't disagree with some of these comments. There's really no way to tell what someone gender is, regardless of trans or not. Genital checks are not being done. It is based on an "honor system." It's not perfect, but we should be able to rely on that honor system in most cases. For the most part, we can agree we shouldn't kill people. Some people kill, most don't. You rely on the belief that someone else wouldn't do harm in that way, and you wouldn't either. You rely on the fact that other people won't just swerve into you on the road cause they can, and you don't either (I hope 😂). Women hope to rely on the thought they can use the women's bathroom and not find a man in there.

@Jayliz but that’s the thing. With the way some peoples beliefs lay. They only accept that people with the corresponding genitals use those bathrooms. I also guarantee if a trans man used the women’s restroom they would freak TF out.

@SquishyMommy1 but that's also why this topic will never have a true solution. Many people believe trans people are what they transitioned to, and many believe that to be trans does not exist and you are what you were at birth. That's literally why this is such a big debate in politics now. The general belief is the issue and we can't do anything to change that.

@Jayliz I don’t think that’s true. Because this debate doesn’t exist in cultures that have recognized multiple genders for centuries.

@SquishyMommy1 USA has always placed an emphasis on gender roles. We only started separating the terms gender and sex in the 50s. Progress is always being made, yes, but It'll be a long while before anything one side is accepted by the majority

Because the argument was never about keeping people safe, it's entirely rooted in transphobia - literally "fear of trans people." @Trish is also quite correct in all her points and I am super glad I don't have to come over here and say it louder for the people in the back. Anyone with half a brain who thought about this for 2 seconds would realize it's about as enforceable as a book ban once you remember that the internet exists.

@Jayliz I do agree that it will take time. But I think like most things. When my grandkids are adults. These debates won’t be happening and the majority of people will have accepted that gender is a spectrum. And i only say my grandkids because my kids are mostly already adults 😂

This is what I’ve been saying for ages toilets don’t have bouncers checking ID at the door ALWAYS be on guard when going to a public bathroom or taking your child to one assuming a room is safe because it can only be accessed by “your own gender” is a massive sense of false security

If I were walking into the ladies toilets and I saw a trans woman in there, I would feel uncomfortable. To me, this is a male in a female environment and it wouldn’t make me feel too safe. That being said, I understand there are a lot of unisex toilets and I have always found them uncomfortable but I’d never complain or speak out .. it is what it is

My local town hall (library, cinema & cafe inside) has just had a huge remodel, the new toilets are unisex. Literally no one cares. It’s no different to walking past another man literally anywhere else in the world

I’m not being funny but you can’t always tell, some women are quite masculine and some trans women can be mega feminine so how would you really know the difference lol? People care too much about what’s in other people’s legs.

The problem is where does it end. The stakes are too high. First bathrooms are expected to be shared. Then womens refuges, (where women are literally needing to be away from men) and then prisons. Women being forced into confined spaces with biological men who are deprived of sex and potentially inside, in the first place for violent crimes. We must give respect and dignity to EVERYBODY. Regardless of their labels. However women take a backseat here and we matter too. Dont we? As women we have rights to keep certain boundaries for safeguarding. The reality of a man is not changed by how he perceives himself, and telling vulnerable women and girls to ignore their own discomfort to accommodate a man’s perception of himself, is gaslighting. We are as women vulnerable to the biological man. Yeah theres other threats in the world. But how far does this go after sharing bathrooms.

Gender dysphoria is a real and very painful condition and I feel nothing but sympathy for anyone who suffers from it. Everyone should be free to dress and present themselves however they like. They should have exactly the same rights as every other citizen regarding housing, employment and personal safety. I don’t believe that surgeries and cross-sex hormones literally turn a person into the opposite sex. I believe the ideology that preaches this has caused, and continues to cause, very real harm to vulnerable people. Sharing girls bathroom isn’t the answer in my opinion.

@Liv but there’s a reason people care what’s in other peoples legs. A trans woman still with their male genitalia can pose a risk to women. I find it absurd that anyone now can identify as female regardless of whether they’ve had surgery to transition. And how a person identifies automatically gives them a right to female only spaces. If a trans woman has fully transitioned and no longer has the means to pose a sexual threat to women then I am less concerned about them using female only spaces.

@Hollie okay but how’re you going to know someone still has make genitalia? you can’t. I don’t know about you but when I use a public bathroom - I mind my own business, I go to the toilet - wash my hands - dry them and then wow I get on with the rest of my day.

@Hollie I’m sorry but you don’t need a dick to be a sexual threat. Men (cis straight men to be exact) are the ones who do commit most rapes and I wouldn’t deny that but to say that someone who doesn’t have a penis doesn’t have the means to pose a sexual threat is just not true. Anyone can do it. And I’ll tell you, a sign on the bathroom stating “woman’s” isn’t going to stop a predator from doing what predators do. And predators can be anyone, you can’t tell by looking at them.

@Liv I wouldn’t know. But as a female entering a female only space, I expect it to remain that way. Simply identifying as female shouldn’t give anyone the right to enter our safe spaces

@Raven🇵🇸 I agree that anyone can be a predator. But let’s not ignore the fact that it is men with penises who pose the biggest sexual threat to women. When women fear sexual assault, it doesn’t take a genius to figure out exactly what kind of sexual assault we’re talking about. I don’t understand why so many people are opposed to ensuring that female only spaces are kept that way until such time that a trans woman has transitioned. This is just my opinion and how I feel on the matter

@Hollie transgender women are not men with penises.

@Jayliz if a man wants to rape you he is going to rape you. No sign on a bathroom door is going to stop him. Trans women and women both are victims of the patriarchy because we are both equally assaulted by cis men. And what about trans men? Also assaulted by cis men. But by your rules, they should use the women’s restroom cuz they are born female. You have a problem with cis men not trans folk.

All these women on here concerned about trans women using the bathroom… like they are 1% of the population! While men are about half the population… and men who want to rape you isnt going to go through the process of buying women’s clothes and hair and makeup all just to sexually assault someone. They are more likely see you on the street and follow you in impulsively. And furthermore I trust trans women in the woman’s bathroom more than i would trust my kid alone in a church with a pastor. Get your priorities straight you weirdos 😒

@Lyss I’m aware of the stats and how men are most likely to operate. I don’t think I’m a weirdo for expressing a different opinion to yours

@Lyss there’s no need to call people weirdos is there? If a woman feels uncomfortable or unsafe being around a man in a female private space .. then her feelings are valid are they not? It doesn’t make her a weirdo .. in this world your not going to agree with what others feel .. so learn to respect that instead of name calling because it’s not aligned to your personal opinions and thoughts

@Hollie and I said I wouldn’t deny that cis straight men are the ones who do commit most rapes, that is true. But it’s disingenuous to claim what you claimed above. It doesn’t matter what the fear is, you made a statement that was incorrect because you can be raped by a person without a penis. You don’t need a penis to sexually assault. That is not the only type of rape and stating that is a slap in the face to anyone who’s been sexually assaulted without penetration or with penetration of an object. I’m saying that it doesn’t matter what the genitals look like because genitals aren’t the cause of the assault, the person who is a predator is and anyone can be a predator. And the idea that trans women need to fully transition because that somehow makes everyone else safer literally doesn’t make sense. It’s like there’s a checklist of things that need to happen so we can have this imaginary sense of safety and the goalpost will keep moving.

And good fucking lord people this is seriously bordering a cross of the ugly laws back in the 1900s in the US where disabled people couldn’t be seen in public spaces and segregation which you should all know about… like do you guys not see where this will lead… and furthermore you really need to deconstruct your white beauty standards because that’s the lens that you are judging people through. And if you dont know what the phrase “white beauty standards” is then maybe you aren’t educated enough to speak on this and need to do some reading. Because this disproportionately affects black women and black trans women even more. So not only is this transphobic but can also be a slippery slope into racism.

@Amanda referring to transgender women as men constitutes hate speech, but yes being called a weirdo is the real crime here.

@Hollie and I also think that women, people in general, fear any type of sexual violence. They are all traumatic and terrible to go through. No one wants to be violated in any way shape or form.

@Amanda I could call transphobes a lot worser names than weirdo. Lol And if you don’t feel safe using a public bathroom cuz you are afraid of men coming into rape you than don’t use public bathrooms because never once I have ever walked into a bathroom and was asked to see if my pants were loaded with a dick. But who knows maybe some day someone will ask me when I’m wearing my strap. 😜 but seriously… no man is gonna waste the time, money, or effort to get dolled up to rape you. Honestly a woman is more like to be sexually assaulted by someone they know then a stranger… so i would be more worried about the men in your life then trans women peeing.

@Lyss this is so confusing? So now if a woman finds a transgender woman uncomfortable to be around in a female toilet … she’s now rascist and a weirdo? Are you ok?

@Aggs it’s possible to have a debate without name calling and it’s not unreasonable to call someone out for it. We’re all adults here with different opinions, which I respect but don’t have to agree with. That is the very nature being human. I think we can express our views without being rude in the process?

@Amanda if you don’t understand what I am saying it’s ok… you can take some time to breathe first before commenting. I was very clear with what i said. If you don’t understand the phrase “white beauty standards” go do some research and learn something.

@Hollie trans people are being killed because of transphobia. I think name-calling in comparison to my community dying is ridiculous. Please try again cause this isn’t it. We will stop being rude when we stop having the deal with hate crimes.

@Lyss the colour of your skin has nothing to do with the topic of transgender woman using toilets? Your going off piste a bit here aren’t you

@Raven🇵🇸 of course, and I’m certainly not trying to minimise non-penetrative sexual assault. But rape is one of the ultimate weapons that can be used against women, and women have a right to feel a certain way about this. I don’t think for a second that the risk from trans women is any greater than cis men, but I do think it’s a subject that warrants discussion

@Lyss and also, cis woman finding transgender woman in their toilets isn’t a transphobe .. it’s a feeling of being uncomfortable which can’t be helped

@Amanda transgender women of colour are specifically targeted and at a significantly greater risk of harm than white women, so rhetorics such as this disproportionately affect them more than the transgender community as a whole. These are complex issues, and they’re not mutually exclusive.

@Amanda again I repeat. Look up “white beauty standards” and how that directly affects trans folk and non-binary folk and black women and other women of color. All you transphobic people judge how someone looks based off of how they look and by look, I mean if they look pretty enough to fit the white beauty standard. If you do not fit the white beauty standard, you are called a man even if you have a vulva. So yes, the color of your skin is an important aspect to this conversation. again education is important. And necessary. Please go learn about intersectionality before you have an opinion on things.