sleep routine

so I need all the advice I can get right now. I have two toddlers three year-old and a one and a half-year-old and for some reason their sleep is so incredibly off. They go to bed so late no matter what I do and lately they’re going to bed super late and waking up super late. I really wanna fix this so that not only them but me as well. Can be on a better routine so what is your guises nighttime routine routines and what time do your kiddos go to bed I think for their age they should be able to go to bed around 8 o’clock, but anytime I try that if I do get them to sleep, they’ll be up around midnight and stay up for hours. I don’t know how to get them to go to bed around that time and stay asleep for the whole night. Any advice and please no judgment.😭🫶🏼
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My three yo doesn’t nap anymore, because if he does he won’t go to sleep til late, so we don’t do that. Like even in the car I can’t let him sleep more than 10 mins or it’s a disaster. Then for bedtime routine if it’s a bath night we do bath, brush hair and teeth, put on nigh time diaper (potty trained during day some nights still accidents). His dad cuddles and reads to him. Then music and cuddling til he falls asleep. When he was 1.5 we cut down to one nap no longer than 2 hours so 12-2 with same bedtime routine just with me at the time and boobies.

He’s asleep by 7:30. Up at like 6. You’re going to have to wake them up earlier and have some tired days probably.

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